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Specialized P3 review and Comparison

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I introduced the Specialized P series bikes a couple of weeks ago. The big S did a revamp on their play bikes, released 4 distinct sizes for the whole family and took a very specific approach. All the bikes were as high-end as they could spec without sourcing any boutique brands.

From grips to treads you can count on many in-house parts on this P3. So why does it cost 2,700 CAD? The crowd is quick to point out the astronomical price of bikes we review these days and they are often right. Shit costs too much and luxury items like full suspension mountain bikes are the epitome of that inflation.

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Allan Cook can ride the hell out of a jump bike. When I saw him riding in Bellingham, I lined up for the only photo composition that made sense.

The Fork and MSRP

You could say DJ forks haven't changed much but that would be unfair to the 100mm of rock hard plushness these things offer on the front of a twitchy bike. Your DJ bike may come with a straight-steerered, coil sprung RST that is better suited for the circular file than the frame. The Manitou Circus Expert air is where the technology catches up slightly with a tunable air spring. The Pro is over 1,100 CAD and the Marzocchi Z1 DJ with the excellent grip damper and 36mm stanchions can be had for $900. Want a Pike DJ A4? Well that'll set you back $1,300.

This crazy DJ bike price is making sense now. Half of the price is the fork. Now you have a decision to make. Either make like Andrew Major and opt for a rigid fork on your jump bike (aka Radio Bikes Minataur) or give in to the suspension overlords and shell out for a fork that won't blow up on the first nose-heavy landing and rebound you back to your ex-partner's after you mess up that downside table. With the improvements to the 26" tire carcasses and width, I wouldn't hesitate to ride rigid fork DJ bikes on pumptracks and smaller jumps.

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Specialized P3 comes in one spec level and it's on the higher end of the spectrum.

The Frame

Many people thought the frame was what cost the most on a DJ bike and, not gonna lie, so did I at first. But while it turns out that isn't the case, do not forget these extremely specific frames are built in small numbers and they need to pass safety standards. DJ frames will need to be IUC (intended use category) 5 or higher and the fork and cranks attached to them should at least match or exceed that categorisation.

The thin silhouette of a chromoly dirt jumper is hard to dispute but the aluminum crafting is so dialed now that we can have beautiful looking and riding alloy frames for all aspects of two-wheeled fun. Welding frames is expensive. One of the main reasons brands like Santa Cruz are slowly weaning themselves off aluminum is because developing and producing alloy is more difficult and expensive than their carbon counterparts. Where everything can be simulated in the computer for carbon, the welding portion of aluminum creates a massive variable that costs money to figure out. Without a doubt, on a small production number DJ bike, which can be as low as hundreds worldwide, the retail price goes up. How many frames can a builder weld perfectly in one day? 1? 5?

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Wheels

First, try sourcing decent rims and tires for an obsolete size. 26" is dead anywhere but kids or DJ bikes. Good quality tires and rims are again produced in smaller numbers and cost a lot of money. Chromag Ally rims cost 80 CAD and a Stans Flow will run you more like 140 CAD, a Spank Spike Race 33 is 100 CAD. Not cheap if you add hubs, spokes and build costs. These things need to be built right to survive extreme abuse.

The Specialized Kicker tires have been amazing on wood, dirt and asphalt. Not once did I want them to be faster rolling or need more traction. Initially I inflated them to around 30psi but after a couple of sessions at the indoor bike park, the pressures went up to 45psi for better speed into jumps. The Z1 can accept a 20mm front axle hub or 15mm with adapters, and that opens up a few more options. The rear of the P3 not only fits a 27.5" wheel but will accept gears as well with the supplied hanger. The 148x12mm standard is super versatile on that front.

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4 hours of non-stop laps... Kids can rally if they find the task interesting.

How did we do? A Month on DJ Bikes

If you haven't read the first article about why I was sent a P2 and P3 you can do so here. The 9-year-old ( he would correct me to 8 1/2) guest at my house needed biking bootcamp. He had taken his first pedal strokes at around 3 but moving away from the North Shore to the Spanish coast meant that we needed to play some serious catch up. What happens when you put an extremely excitable outsider onto summer-baked North Shore marbles? You get carnage. With that in mind, as much as I wanted to tow him to the top of the mountains every day, a controlled environment with plenty of snacks nearby was the ticket to safe progression.

North Shore Bike Park provided the venue for our action-filled days. 60,000 sq ft of green, blue and purple lines to hold parents hostage for hours. We managed to visit the park 8 times. Fewer than I initially planned but there were enough other activities to provide a ton of bike time.

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What I think I look like when I ride.

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What I actually look like when I ride.

The Specialized P2 and P3 have been this dad's ultimate tools for spending an enormous amount of bike time with his kid. From the pumptracks to green jump lines, graduating to the blue and finally to purple, we cheered each other on in the relaxed indoor atmosphere. The boy quickly learned to pump and push to gain speed and confidence on the lines. Each subsequent visit would translate to immediate gains on the Seymour trails. If you are local to the Shore, you don't even need to own a park-ready bike for your child. The rentals they have available will tide you over until the time is right.

As he racked up the laps with all the new friends he made each visit, I worked on my style and amplitude on the bigger jumps. I got more and more comfortable with pushing through my feet and pulling up to gain height over the jumps. It is just a matter of time until some tricks will follow! My goal was to take a foot off my pedal on a downside table (euro table) to strengthen my opinion about riding bikes: if you don't have style, you don't have anything.

Did you reach your goal? - Ed.

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Geoff Gulevich is the poster child for style on two wheels and has an extensive DJ and skatepark background.

There is no real reason to spend over $2,000 on your next dirt jump bike unless you want a fork that really works. The bike will be heavier and the fork less adjustable but at around 1,000 CAD, a Radio Bikes Asura will do the job just fine. The chromoly frame and decent parts will make sure you

have some fun at your local spot. The Mradio Minataur is an interesting prospect as well if you have the wrists to deal with the impacts. This rigid-forked machine is simple and affordable.

If your wallet is deeper, there is no denying that the Specialized P series bikes are a much better choice.

Specialized P3

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finbarr
+3 Vik Banerjee Velocipedestrian BarryW

What do you mean by “developing and producing alloy is more difficult and expensive than their carbon counterparts?” 

If this is the case, why are carbon bikes more expensive? Is the scaled up production that much more expensive?

(Great article- I really enjoyed having you dive into the economics of this, it was fascinating)

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denomerdano
+1 finbarr

It is just that. It takes more time and requires more people to develop and produce an aluminium frame these days. Add in the complexities of storage compartments and adjustability and clearance and stiff and all that, the cost just goes up over time very quickly. Considering Giant can pump out a carbon frame every 90 minutes(i can't remember my source for this), I think it makes sense why most companies are moving to carbon. 1 person can do all the steps and come up with a fairly reliable, well riding machine.  although wrong application in the DJ realm. Think about it, why didn't then just build Danny Macaskill an alloy trials frame? because it would have taken way more resources to do compared to carbon.

Edit: this was a little miss informed as Danny's frame apparently cost more than human minds can comprehend. But the alloy Hightower does cost more than a carbon counterpart to develop produce

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BarryW
+1 Zero-cool

While I hear this, other than a slightly slacker head angle what was really 'developed' for a bike like this?

And honestly, couldn't you throw in a Wolftooth angleset and slack out any DJ bike by a degree? Seems like the real sell is very slightly tweaked classic geometry here. 

And I understand that a DJ fork needs to be robust, but certainly not sophisticated. Single hit, and then another single hit, seems like that is quite possibly the most basic damper needed. Like pull it out of a Recon kind of simple. 

It just seems like spesh is taking the piss of people that want a DJ but don't realize they can get the same thing for a lot less.

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finbarr
+1 BarryW

You're only talking about R&D cost, right? But the actual production costs are still higher with carbon than alloy? 

That would make sense, especially once you add in internal routing, storage compartments, flip chips, etc. I guess that's why most of the small boutique companies (We Are One, Forbidden, Evil, Revel) only do carbon.

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flattire2
+2 Andrew Major Zero-cool

I thought the whole point of a DJ fork was a lack of sophistication in the damper and chassis.  Singular hits (jump landings)  dont need fancy dampers or plushness.   Stanchions don't need to be butted aluminum, hell I'd make them steel for added safety.  Lower castings can be carry-overs from other existing fork lines.  RST or someone should make a fork like this. Or is weight an issue?

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AndrewMajor
+3 Brian Tuulos GB BarryW

Manitou Circus Comp (coil spring) is a good example of what you’re thinking. 

$400 USD, 4130 Stanchions, TPC Rebound damper.

For those that can stretch a bit, the Circus Expert adds 7000-Series stanchions for a decent amount of weight savings and has an air spring which adds tuneability and versatility. $575 USD.

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denomerdano
+1 Cooper Quinn JT GB

Actually, you absolutely need bomb proof compression and rebound dampers for DJ forks. The air pressures are so high, and the demand on single impact landings are so intense that you need extreme damper composure and reliability. The rebound circuit needs to be very solid also so that you do not get bounced back after a big landing that did compress the fork to its max travel(which it never should!)

All while being light! Nothing worse than a 30lbs DJ bike when all you are trying to do is throw the thing around!

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BarryW
+1 Zero-cool

Fun fact is that the rebound circuit doesn't experience more stress after a big hit, only the exact same spring force as a parking lot bunny hop. There are no other forces involved where rebound is concerned. 

I just think there is a claim that isn't backed up by facts here. It's just too expensive. 

Also taking retail pricing into account is silly, because no bike totals up to those numbers when sold brand new. I get that nicer components cost more, obviously. But it doesn't seem to add up to this price. Again I asky why a Status 140 costs the same or LESS than a bike with way fewer and cheaper components.

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jt
+1 Deniz Merdano

Picked up a Verde Radix for winter park sessions. Stock fork is a RST Dirt model, with steel steerer and stanchions, and the simplest damper ever (elsastomers). Rode once, found a 26" Pike online for cheap and promptly swapped it out. Nixed near 3lbs off the front end, and that's something you can definitely feel when in the air.

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jeff-white
+1 Andrew Major

Really enjoyed that, Deniz. As I mentioned in a comment on your previous P3 article, the Cannondale Dave may be a good option for as long as you can get one. They are currently priced on close out at $1,250 CAD, has a Manitou Circus Expert DJ fork (that feels pretty great!), cromo BMX cranks, good double walled rim-based wheels, and Maxxis tires, along with a few in-house parts. Maybe the frame isn't quite as deeply tested as the P3, but with Max Frederickson going damn huge on one, I'm reasonably certain that it will handle the small tables and pump tracks I will throw at it, and probably more. 

I have no trouble shelling out good money for small-lot bikes and components, but for me and the amount I'll use this, the price was too good to pass it up. Doubly so, since my son and I both got one and can ride together more often, which is what it's all about.

Happy jumping!

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AndrewMajor
+1 cheapondirt BarryW Carlos Nieto

The Dave for $1250 CAD with a Manitou Circus Expert is RAD. 

I was thinking a solid option, with an aluminum frame, is the Marin Alcatraz with a Circus Expert for $1900 CAD (regular price). It helps that I dig the paint.

I don’t need a DJ bike at all, but the first single-speed that I rode the Shore on (rigid and with a fork) was a Balfa MinuteMan and I think that’s why I’m always interested in these machines.

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jeff-white
+2 Andrew Major Konrad

I spent a number of years racing DH and riding trails on a Minuteman with gears and a SuperT. Miss that ridiculous bike so much. A friend still uses it.

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AndrewMajor
+1 Jeff White

That nostalgia definitely contributes to every ride on the Banshee Enigma I’m reviewing being an awesome ride. I start smiling before I even put my feet on the pedals.

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denomerdano
+3 Andrew Major Jeff White Zero-cool

Cannondale Dave is absolutely amazing for that price!

Will definitely be reccomending it to people!

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AdeMiller
+1 BarryW

So, all those parts sitting idle from that last 26" trail bike you bought before "The Industry" told us that 26" was dead...

I took everything off my very nice trail bike and put them on a shiny new frame (Jackal thanks) and got my LBS to shorten my 160mm fork significantly. The result was a stupidly nice DJ, way too nice for my talentless arse, for less than half the price of anything Specialized would sell you.

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sanesh-iyer
0 Deniz Merdano BarryW

In defense of the expensive DJ bike:

If you put an 11-36 cassette on it, saint rear derailleur, and a telescopic seatpost, you actually have a decent commuter bike. That's what I did with my Voltage, before I sold it (and I very much regret clearing all my 26 parts out).

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denomerdano
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Kinda love that idea..

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AndyJK
+1 BarryW

But... single speed:  Simple, light, reliable, doesn't skip gears when being pushed hard.  Better for DJ all around. 

I tried the hybrid gears approach for years on a DJ bike before coming to my senses.

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Zero-cool
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In 2011 I bought a Marzocchi Dirt Jumper 1, it’s got a straight steerer, 100mm of buttery travel, cool sprung, adjustable rebound (from very slow to very boring!) and can be stiffened up with about 20psi of air (or something like that). 12 years later it’s still going strong now. It’s been on a jump bike, an XC bike (ok a jump bike with gears and a dropper), a 4X bike, a downcountry bike (before downcountry was coined, ok it was a 4X bike with more gears and a dropper) and now back on my Dadcountry bike.

Never had an oil change and still smooth,  I probably should drop the lowers and change it, but I’m scared I might break something on them.

They’re DJ forks, they don’t need fancy dampers, they need to be tough, simple, require little servicing and be affordable.

How many of these new fancy DJ forks will be running smooth in 10-15 years?

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AndyJK
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I had a Marz DJ3.  So...Damn...Heavy!  I've had a Pike DJ for 6 years on a previous model P3; no service yet. 

Coil springs don't belong on a DJ bike.  Too linear, and too heavy.

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zigak
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I read a bunch of the P3 reviews and haven't seen its rear hub. Can somebody tell me if it's a regular hub with spacers for a single  sprocket, or if it is a genuine single speed 148mm hub?

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denomerdano
+1 ZigaK

Regular hub with spacers. HG driver

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