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The Future Of Stashed Tools

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Stash tools, that is tools stashed on a bike, are a passion of mine. It's a bit strange I suppose, as I generally ride with a backpack but I appreciate the thought that goes into fitting a fantastic chain breaker into a handlebar or hiding a bike shop in a steerer tube. There is a variety of options on the market and bike-mounted tools are a small but growing segment both for aftermarket upgrades and for companies selling bikes with stock options installed. Credit to Specialized who have been putting mini-multitools in steerer tubes and on bottle cages on some of their bikes for years now. Credit to OneUp who have really been driving the tool-on-bike bus since the release of the EDC Tool.

I know a number of stash-tool deprecators who raise valid points in disparaging these products. For one, they're expensive. Buying a tool of similar quality and function to throw in a pack is universally less expensive than buying one that squeezes into your bike's unused orifices. They're also much more exposed to the elements compared to being stored in a back-or-fanny pack. Many times the stashed tools are arranged such that they are not as nice to use, don't reach awkward spots on a bike, or can't create adequate torque for some bolts. All fair.

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If you sink your starnut a little way in and use a longer bolt you can actually stash (bagged) quick links under your stem cap for the cost of a longer bolt. You only need a 5mm hex key to access what's hidden in there.

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I like big plugs and I cannot lie. These plastic plugs from Sensus Swayze grips have a deep insertion depth that keeps them from walking out in use or pulling out in a crash. They're also trim-able to fit bars with smaller internal diameters.

My favourite detraction is pointed squarely at my claims of convenience regarding OneUp's EDC Lite tool. My go-top option for some time now has been to combine an EDC Lite tool in my steerer tube for adjustments with my 8-Bit Pack Pliers and a chain breaker in a tool roll in my pack for repairs. I have a couple of very mechanically inclined friends who have pointed out - rather roughly - that because their bikes are dialed in before every ride, having a quick access tool isn't really important considering how infrequently they need to fix something. And, yes, that's fair as well. I almost never use tools on my own bike on the trail, and when I do it's usually for more than straightening my stem after a crash, in which case, I've been pulling out the 8-Bit for the nicer tool interfaces and convenient swivel-head action.

And, most recently, I've been asked twice if I've ever had my steerer-tool stolen. Apparently, this is now a thing and particularly the questioners had friends who've had their spring-loaded Specialized SWAT multitool and very easy to remove EDC Lite tools pinched while grabbing a coffee or beers. Their bikes were locked, but their tools were apparently quite noticeably still installed. The OneUp tools, in particular, have a colourful 'look at me' aesthetic but who, other than a mountain biker, would notice the foldout covering of a SWAT tool?

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This is my first attempt at making truly-hidden stashed tools. The idea is that even some scum bag combo mountain biker & thief isn't going to recognize my expensive tools when I'm grabbing a post-ride picnic.

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It's a pair Sensus bar plugs that I've rudely trimmed so they fit exactly tight enough in my handlebar. I've then magically attached them to the standard rubber EnCase tool carriers from Wolf Tooth.

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I've previously reviewed the Wolf Tooth EnCase tool system. I like the function of the 8-Bit Pack Pliers, which use the same bits, better in use, but the EnCase does stuff an impressive amount of function into a very limited space.

This got me thinking about how to best keep the function of stash-tools while at the same time camouflaging them from the asshat of a fellow rider who'll steal your 90 USD BITS and buy a replacement carrier for "so they can swap the tool between bikes." Sure, Bontrager claims their tool is about "Stow It, Don't Show It" but if buddy's stem cap has a handle on it I doubt many mountain bikers wouldn't know something is in there.

I think the answer - at least for anyone who may lock their bike up to a rack or in the back of their truck for a minute to grab grub or a six-pack - is that Stash Tools need to evolve such that they're indistinguishable from a toolless bicycle. That means the top of a steerer tube-mounted tool, no matter how a headset is preloaded, needs to have a provision to bolt on a stem cap. It means that tools mounted in handlebars or crank or hub axles need to be finished in such a way that they look stock.

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BONUS: The alternate future of stashed tools. Just use a frame bag and take it with you. It is a great way to carry compact, but not necessarly stashable, tools.

Is there a rash of Stash Tool theft going on? No, I don't think so. I'd bet I'll keep hearing more and more stories about it though. Will I be beyond pissed off - at myself - if I came out holding my fresh cup of caffeine and my frame-mounted tools have disappeared? Heck yes. And now that I've heard of it happening it's something I can't help but think about. Just, for example, the replacement EDC V2 toolset in my OneUp Threadless carrier is 60 USD, and the multitool for my EDC Lite system is 33.50 USD, not including the necessary plastic top clip. And at least OneUp sells spares, apparently getting just the specifically sized multitools for some other systems out there is not a possibility.

I've also heard of a rider having to replace the cover, and contents, of the downtube stash hole on their frame. Locking SWAT box covers in the future? Probably not, but it probably doesn't hurt to be aware that there are at least some bike-aware bandits in our midst. The nice thing about in-frame storage is of course that tools don't have to be orifice-optimized to get out of your pack and onto your bike.

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I wish the EnCase tool body was just slightly longer for some added leverage when the 8mm hex key is in play. It's an excellent tool otherwise with nice interfaces from its many functions.

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I almost never need a chain tool so when I do I don't mind if it's a micro-unit like I'd find on the Bontrager BITS, OneUp EDC, or Wolf Tooth 8-Bit system. This one is really nice and solid to use though and stashes plugs.

In addition to the theft-avoidance factor, I know of at least a few riders who would be much more likely to purchase stealthy Stash tools than the current, obvious, options. While the tool-on-bike market is still growing, there are some very established systems like the O.E. BITS and SWAT and OneUp's aftermarket stable and companies breaking in really need a schtick. It would be hard to deliver more, or better, functionality in a similar-sized package to what's on the market.

That leads to either going with the bike-industry-standard approach of R&D'ing what already exists and charging less money, making it a different colour, or putting a 'cooler' brand name on it. Or, I mean, there's also the option of creating a product with a unique and valuable feature. I, for one, am hoping that the future of Stash Tools includes some stealth options.

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Vikb
+5 Andrew Major ElBrendo khai mikeynets Tremeer023

I'm a time traveler from the Frame Bag Future so I will try not to mess up this timeline. ;-) I'd love to see bike companies team up with bag vendors so you can order up a well fitting frame bag without having to go the full custom bikepacking bag company route. Ideally a bag sold with the frame as an option.

Kudos to Ibis for doing this already. Semi-Kudos to Cotic for selling me a custom frame bag for my BFeMAX that didn't actually fit the frame. Your heart was in the right place, but the execution was poor.

I don't do the hidden tool thing [like EDC], but if my bike happened to have a DT box I'd use it for sure.

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AndrewMajor
+3 Vik Banerjee taprider khai

I fully admit my guilty pleasure is perusing Instagram for really clean frame bag setups. And I ride with a pack.

Frame storage is going to continue to expand but I find the huge tubes pretty ugly personally - I know, get with the times, SWAT Boxes for everyone!

I always go back to quick access for Stash Tools v. a bag (back or frame) but then look at how infrequently I use them on the trail and it’s not that big a deal.

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Vikb
+3 Andrew Major taprider Mammal

While I would use a frame box...most of my bikes have skinny metal tubes unsuited for such a feature unless I was carrying some cigars for a victory puff after dominating a particularly hard feature.  

I've cut way down on my SM use, but frame bag porn would be a good use of my SM time. I may need to settle in with my phone and a beer over the holidays and do just that.

When I did ride with a pack I liked those belt or shoulder strap pockets. You can throw a multi-tool in there and access it on the fly without taking the pack off. Ideal for quick adjustments.

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kavurider
+3 Andrew Major Vik Banerjee Mammal

Yup my Osprey pack has a zippered pouch on the waist belt, perfect for quick access to my multitool. Just have to remember to keep it in its hard case so you don't impale yourself in a crash!

I have a Wolftooth BRad and a Blackburn frame bag. I like them a lot for my spare tube and small tools, great to get them out of my waist pack. However, they don't fit very well on any of the frames I own.

I like that most manufacturers seem to be taking this into account and designing frames with space and mounting points.

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AndrewMajor
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Very important point re. tools in cases. I have had two riding friends do damage landing on standard tools in waist pockets. One of them the tool actually opened. No long term damage but certainly lots of telling their stories like they earned them.

I find standard multitools with the level of function I want wouldn’t fit in most pack waist bands anyways.

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AndrewMajor
+1 Vik Banerjee

Don’t want to be responsible for anyone increasing their SM exposure… but yeah… there is some nice stuff out there. 

I think my Walt would like a classic triangle bag/shoulder pad for hike a bikes and a bit of tool storage? But then I’m not sure if I really hike-a-bike that way anymore and maybe I’m just nostalgic?!

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taprider
+2 Andrew Major Vik Banerjee

@vik "frame bag porn "

I like that term
and am guilty fantasizing about making my own combined frame bag, top tube bag, feed bags, that appear to be all one smooth piece

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taprider
+3 Andrew Major Vik Banerjee Peter Leeds

@andrew "...but I find the huge tubes pretty ugly personally..."

I totally agree

don't want my bike to look like an e-bike

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AndrewMajor
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I do wonder if we’ll see a resurgence of LOOK-esque skinnier carbon tubes from some companies’ non-e~options specifically to differentiate the appearance of meat-powered bikes. 

I don’t know if gearboxes ever would have caught on (outside of e~bikes where they’re the future) but I know the e~aesthetic have killed the gearbox curiosity of a few of my nerdy friends.

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taprider
+2 khai Andrew Major

A plus for Rocky Mtn's new Element that appears to have relatively skinny tubes (don't know if it just appears that way because the main triangle is super long though)

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AndrewMajor
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The new Element is an awesome-looking rig. I think they went just far enough towards trail that folks like me can love it while at the same time with some fast tires XC folks will still be into it. I would have loved to see a flex stay pivot but I guess it doesn't allow for the suspension performance/story they're looking for... either way, everything I've heard about the Element is that it rips.

khai
+1 Andrew Major

I really dig the new Element.  Much like I imagine Andrew would approach it, I'd still put proper tyres/CushCore, and 4 piston brakes on it.  Maybe a Fox36/Lyrik over the 34/Pike it comes spec'ed with if I could find a swap that didn't cost me a tonne.  It would be about as fast/racy a bike as I'd ever want, while still allowing me to ride ALL the trails I love.

khai
+3 Andrew Major Zero-cool Derek Baker

It's irrational how much I want to pull a burrito out of my frame mid ride...

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khai
+1 Andrew Major

I've got one of these on order with high hopes...

As it turns out, the slightly longer legs of my 7mesh Revo (waterproof) shorts are *just long enough to hook the end of my OneUp pump when it's carried beside the bottle cage and I'm navigating slow jank/making crucial moves climbing tech.  It took a few times to realize that it was the shorts, but I ain't giving those up!

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AndrewMajor
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Cool looking bags!

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tehllama42
+1 Andrew Major

That's absolutely an upsell I could get behind.  Some tools play nicely integrated into a hard mounting solution... but other stuff that is nice to bring along just doesn't play that game, and a frame bag that fits snugly and has some tension adjustment is just too good to ignore.
The on-frame boxes are cool, and would be rather nice to use for how I tend to ride as well, but it's nothing a frame bag wouldn't actually supplement even further.
It's also another branding opportunity, not to mention customization opportunity to make bikes really unique... and it's not like it would cost them an arm and a leg to have some color options.

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rigidjunkie
+2 Andrew Major Mammal

I almost ate my EDC lite this year.  Was riding down the trail and it popped out and flew through the air.  It was slow enough that I saw it and had to dodge my head to miss it hitting me right in the mouth.  Spent 20 minutes looking for it and never did find it :(

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AndrewMajor
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That’s crazy! Was it on a massive bottom out or JRA? Was it a fairly loose fit? 

The ones I’ve used have all been tight-tight but certainly tolerances with a plastic carrier could vary more. 

They do sell the multitool separately and it’s probably worth an email to see if they have any top caps as well.

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MikeMc
+2 khai Mammal Pete Roggeman Peabobryson

The reason for stashed tool is demonstrated by Steve Story on Pemberton's PhD here (at the 1:58 mark). Comparing the process of getting a tube out and in some wheel full of sealant (or worse) to Steve's timely fix is the reason to spend the time and money. Everything else is a solution looking for a problem. I'll be putting a tire plugger in my steerer at some point, but am pretty indifferent to the need for ulta-rapid multi-tool access. For the multi-tool topic, the coordination needed to insert a bit without loosing it deserves consideration. Could you do it fast with cold hand in the dark? Loved my Spurcycle tool (before it was sadly lost) but the bit thing put me off that style of tool.

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khai
+2 Mike McArthur Mammal

If that isn't the ultimate One-Up ad, there isn't one!

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mammal
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Great demonstration! Just as easy to access from the top of the One Up pump.

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fartymarty
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Wow, that was a master class in plugging a tyre.  

If that was me I would be faffing through my BRad bag, trying to find a plug, losing all the sealant, having to put more in, dropping the plug several times and probably still having to put a tube in.

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cornedbeef
+1 Andrew Major

I hope to see some amount of improvement on the WT Encase tool. The magnet within that 8mm hex/main bit holder doesn't do a very good job on holding a bit. The tool needs some sort of lockout to not allow for any pivoting with that swiveling 8mm hex bit holder. It's a really nice concept, but it is not the most enjoyable tool to use.

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AndrewMajor
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Curious when you’d want the swivel locked out? Do you have issues with it moving when it’s at the 90* or using it screwdriver style? I have read the same comment about the 8-Bit but it was only related to using it screwdriver style.

Have had some good debates about magnetic force (both tools). I think this is one area where it’s impossible to make everyone happy. I find it’s perfect for use without removing gloves and haven’t dropped a bit, but I understand where, being proprietary sizes, anyone who has dropped on would be paranoid. 

I prefer to use the 8-Bit myself (but it has the same swivel head and magnetic system, so folks who don’t like that on the EnCase won’t like it on the 8-Bit), but it doesn’t fit in a handlebar. I’d still say the EnCase is the nicest truly stashable tool on the market to use, but it’s far from my first choice if I’m throwing it in a bag.

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cornedbeef
+1 Andrew Major

I'd like the swivel locked out in the 180 degree mode, as the screwdriver mode is quite useful in a lot of places. 

Too much magnet is the perfect amount of magnet. Nothing dampered my mood to ride after dropping the 2.5mm bit while trying to reconnect my dropper remote.

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AndrewMajor
+1 cornedbeef

That makes sense. A simple thumb lock to hold it in screwdriver mode could be helpful.

Cheers!

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mammal
+1 Andrew Major

100CC One Up Pump with EDC tool and bacon plugs in side. An extra mounting bracket for the other bike, at $13. I just grab the pump off the bike when I'm heading in for a 6-pack, it takes 1.5 seconds.

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AndrewMajor
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What do you do to keep the pump clean and sealed? I’ve seen some with road tubes condomed over them. The idea appeals certainly, but I’d lent my pump out a few times to folks who were carrying one that was effectively dead.

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Vikb
+1 Andrew Major

When I had my small pump externally mounted to the frame I sealed it in a heavy duty plastic bag with one of those bag sealers at work. Since I flat maybe 1/year +/- I rarely need to break the seal and when I did I'd either reseal the bag or start a fresh bag depending on the condition at that point. Pump stayed minty fresh, but there was no multi-tool involved that I might need regularly.

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mammal
+2 Andrew Major mudhoney

I've found the seals on the tool end and the air opening are bomb proof, and yeah, I have a 5cm stretch of XC tube that provides the extra seal over the pump handle opening. The oring under handle almost does the job, but I've actually had it pop open while riding, so it gets the extra condom seal. Just roll the condom down to use the pump, and roll back up after.

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AndrewMajor
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Yeah, that makes perfect sense. Would just suck to kill a perfectly good pump riding in local conditions. Does the EDC tool in your pump have everything you need for repairs (chain breaker? Plugs?) or do you carry other stuff as well?

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mammal
+1 Andrew Major

Yep, chain breaker and plugs. I stash my quick links in my hip pack since they're tiny and light (Osprey, as mentioned above). I loved going to the bum bag, but I really wanted to reduce the amount of stuff I need to load in there, so putting the pump/tool/breaker onto the bike freed up a ton of space and weight. The pump itself is VERY good quality and a pleasure to use. The brackets are pretty nice themselves, hold very securely, open quickly and tuck nicely against the bottle/cage.

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AndrewMajor
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It’s on the big side, but other than size I’ve never heard a complaint about the OneUp pump. Many feel it’s the best option on the market. Certainly very nice to use.

khai
+2 Andrew Major Mammal

The little gasket on the OneUp pump (and the end plug) do a surprisingly good job of keeping it clean and dry.  I generally open mine after wet/mucky rides to check/clean it and it's held up really well, with nothing having gotten through even in torrential weather.  I may have to replace that gasket every few years as I'd imagine the rubber will dry up over time - but OneUp is generally good with their small parts availability.

I've had other pumps that looked like boat bailers after a significantly less wet ride...

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Larrabee
+1 Andrew Major

I had mud wasps plug the valve orifice on a rarely-used frame-mounted pump — on a daily rider. 

Now: I keep a bit of electrical tape over the valve connector. 

It took a fair bit of digging to clear out the mud — something I couldn’t have done away from home.

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AndrewMajor
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That's an issue I've never heard of!

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Peabobryson
+1 Andrew Major

The Wolftooth is amazing snap on quality. I always say they EDC should be double the price for better quality.

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khai
+1 JVP

I saw the title of this article and KNEW that it was you!  Chalk me up to paranoid but I always strip my bike of anything that might easily be pilfered when locked/away - not that I do very often, but say when grabbing lunch in Whistler village or the like.  

One MASSIVE benefit of a vehicle that can easily transport bikes inside is the security factor.  Back when I carried them on the roof/hitch I always stripped them of easily removables as well - now it's a non issue, and excellent peace of mind.  Not just the bits, but the whole bike as well.  Sure someone could break in - but out of sight reduces the heat factor significantly.  I appreciate that having a cargo van as one's only means of (enclosed/motorized) transport isn't for everyone but I'd have one hell of a time going back...

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mammal
+2 Andrew Major khai

I long for a good enough reason to go back to a cargo van. I was a van guy for a good decade, and there are so many areas of my life where it makes complete sense. If I needed one for work/business, it would be a no-brainer.

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khai
+1 Mammal

I can't justify it for work - I'm an IT guy who works from home.  (Perhaps my lack of needing to use it as a commuter does help somewhat, but if I did have to go to the office I wouldn't drive anyway...)  I originally bought it as I used to roadrace motorcycles and rode dirt bikes/moto trials, etc.  That it might be better for mtb was an afterthought.  I haven't raced in years and sold the dirt/trials bikes during the early days of the pandemic - but I absolutely LOVE it for mtb.  Occasionally I think about a truck with a canopy - mostly for clearance and 4x4, but I FAR prefer the van for regular use.

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mammal
+1 khai

Yeah, the commuter vehicle aspect and purchase cost of a good van with decent fuel mileage are my 2 current road blocks. My compromise at the moment is an '09 Ford Escape Hybrid, which is wicked reliable, great for mileage (36mpg), and was around 8K to buy. I do a ton of camping, and with a bike rack, a giant roof pod, a home made strap-on awning, and a modular/removable bed solution, we can pack a lot of stuff and have a great time. But NOTHING matches the carrying capacity and convenience of van life.

Sorry for the off-topic ramble, but I almost love talking about vans as much as I love vans. Kinda like bikes, actually;)

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khai
+1 Mammal

That's amazing fuel economy!  Before I added the rooftop tent and rack above it I was getting ~11L/100km - so ~21mpg (city & hwy combined).  I'm sure it's worse now.  ;p  It's a short wb low roof so once I have it full of bikes there's not much room for a bed - and I don't like having my bikes outside.  

It's also nice to not have to worry about being able to transport stuff - the other day we bought a Christmas tree and it never dawned on me that getting it home would be any harder than making a beer run.  That's not a specific argument "for", but it is a sweet benefit.

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mammal
+1 khai

The transport-stuff aspect of vans definitely lives in the "for" category. There have been more than 5 instances of seeing amazing furniture on the side of the road, and just no reasonable option to take it. And that's just furniture. I could sit here all day and dream about the conveniences that van-me would enjoy.  But yeah, I drive a lot to/from work, and can't afford >20K for a vehicle, so I'll take my 6L/100km combined (7 in the winter) and be happy.

Ripbro
+1 Andrew Major

I love the pork chop bag on my ripmo. It wedges in between the top tube and down tube in the front and uses a plastic bracket around the shock mount, super slick. I keep a tube in it, some gorilla tape and my wallet and phone. It was tough to swallow the $100ish bucks for the bag, but if it got nicked I’d buy another one, I love it. I doesn’t look as clean as these new in frame options, but it works.

I also have a loaded 100cc edc pump with the tool + pliers and bacon kit. I love running without a pack all summer.

I remove the pump  whenever I will be away from the bike for an extended period of time. The frame bag is tough to remove, so it just stays on.

Over $200 for these accessories, but my back stays cool, and I know I have almost everything I need to deal with a trailside mechanical.

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kos
+1 Andrew Major

Wait a darn minute.

People are stealing steerer tube tools?

In Canada?!

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AndrewMajor
+1 Kos

I wouldn’t say it’s a common occurrence, but it’s also not a one-off incidence.

Way easier to flip parts and accessories than complete bikes if we assume the rider wasn’t just stealing for their own usage.

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RAHrider
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I have some sympathy for those people who park their bike for a second and lose something. That being said, most people's mtb bikes are like the Ferrari's of the bike world. If you leave a 8k bike in front of a coffee shop and all that is taken is a 50$ tool, I'd say you "got off with a warning." Kinda like the Ferrari owner leaving their wallet and keys on the front seat with the windows down and the top off and only losing the wallet.

I'm not saying anyone deserves to get ripped off, but it's not really a surprise. It's actually more shocking that it doesn't happen very often. Given that most of the tools you have talked about cost as much as my beer bike, this stealth idea of yours seems misguided to me. Like Ferrari owners, a lot of people like their high end bikes to look special. Fancy colour tools in the headtube helps set your bike apart. Disguising them as cheap parts would be like putting hubcaps over top a nice set of mag wheels on your car.

It is kinda funny that you posted your clever bike tool camouflage trick on the internet. The secret of your tool stash is safe with me ;)

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Shoreloamer
-1 Mammal

Why doesn't anyone put a swat box in a seat ? Plenty of room under the rails. I mean a small tool bag under the seat . That's just not cool! Let's invent something minute and complex that has plenty of neat little things and anodized .... Stuff.  

How about we have tool reservoir s built into our frames .  Swat box is so yesterday. Or a secret door behind the Head tube badge.  

There must be standard s adhered to . For the first year then we will have the boost tool reservoir.  Sorry your tools are now obsolete . They don't fit. 

Marketing people! Let's make some money ! 

Sorry Andrew I marvel at the puny little bits splayed on that log and think . Yep I'd loose half that stuff pretty fast.  

As for stolen goods . Who buys the stuff?  If you question every used part you buy. Ask a simple question. Is this stolen?  And if it's a smoking great deal. Yeah it's hot. 

Thieves exist because we support them by buying what they steal. 

I don't think actual mountain bikers who are passionate about the sport steal bike tools.  

But do you buy them ?

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mammal
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Apparently, some mountain bikers around the North Shore area even steal mountain bikes from each other (there's been a recent example), so I wouldn't be so quick to pass us all off as Angels. It would be pretty easy to steal a One Up EDC tool set from a steer tube and sell it very quickly as something "I just don't need anymore" and probably get good money for it.

With regards to dedicated stash tools, it's a good thing people aren't forced to go the new-school or old-school route, and we can all make our own choices. I would imagine most people base their stash-tool choices on what their needs/wants are, so perhaps it's good that the industry offers choices. No?

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Shoreloamer
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Your almost justifying the purchase of stolen goods. How can you tell? Oh well why bother trying to find out right? 

I don't think anyone is actually making a choice based on my opinion. And I'm just having fun with the subject of toys, I mean tools . :)

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AndrewMajor
+1 Greg Bly

I don’t read that as a justification as much as a reality/warning. Just because someone rides a mountain bike doesn’t mean they aren’t a crappy human. Keep track of your stuff.

For the record, re. crappy humans, having had bikes stolen. I’m not getting down on poor folks living in squalor stealing to eat or to self-medicate. It’s the douchebag selling stolen my stolen shit in the buy-and-sell and the dickhead buying it that really get stuck in my craw.

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mammal
+1 Andrew Major

I'm just realistic about the bike-related market being on fire right now, and the inherent nature of humans (they're not all nice). Nothing more. I do find your contempt a little bit misplaced though.

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AndrewMajor
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I mean, two types of folks - those who are going to lose the little bits and those who aren’t. The former should skip any trail side tools with removable pieces. 

Knock on wood… I haven’t lost any yet!

I think the issue with a saddle is they flex a lot. I’ve recommended to a few folks I’ve seen on the trail that they get shorter seat post bolts actually because bottoming your gouch onto a bolt would suck. 

I don’t think the I.D. Of steerer tubes is changing anytime soon, but I could be wrong! The OD can’t change or minimum stem length will have to grow.

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khai
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>> I don’t think the I.D. Of steerer tubes is changing anytime soon, but I could be wrong! The OD can’t change or minimum stem length will have to grow.

I'm a massive fan of the oversized steerer tube that allows for reach and HA adjustment.  I wish all bikes came with the ability to +/- 5-10mm...

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velocipedestrian
+1 khai

Do you mean head tube?

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khai
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Yes, absolutely. That's what I get for multitasking...

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